Some of you may recall a blogger named JT Norlander who commented on Alex's post during Followers Say. He did not seem to think I was firm enough about my position against homosexuality. He suggested on his blog that I should "take a stand".
Those of you who know me in person: try not to laugh out loud XD
One thing I've had to be very careful about in my life is how I come across to people. When I research something and form an educated opinion, my opinions are, if you'll pardon the reference to Mulan, written in stone. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever standing up for myself and my beliefs. I frequently have to run my comments by someone else to make sure I am not completely blowing holes in what other people are saying.
Some people might call it having a temper, but I prefer to think of it as being "strong-willed". *smirks* All good training for law school, right? XD
So, just to be make it clear that I am very much a True Christian, let me run through the 11 basic beliefs we've covered on Carpe Noctem.
1. The New America: America is falling. Our founding priciples are crumbling, personal freedoms are slowly being taken away.
I thought the "New America" would be decades from now. I thought the big changes and awful things would come later.
I was wrong.
The New America is here. It is now.
America is going to fall, and when she does, who is going to pick her back up? People who are educated and persuasive. People who are good thinkers and people who can use logic.
When America falls, we will need LEADERS. Leaders with good ideas, principles and morals who can build America back up to the nation she was meant to be.
Plenty of people have good ideas, principles and morals, though. Most of them will not be able to help. Do you know why?
Because they don't know how to think, how to write, how to persuade.
It's a very basic concept, one that can be good or bad.
Winners, leaders, are not chosen because of their outstanding character. Not really. They are chosen because they know how to persuade people.
End of mini rant.
Controversial, extremist, and offensive point: When America falls, classically educated homeschoolers will rise to power because they know how to think, use logic, persuade, speak publically, and articulate their ideas well.
2. Feminism: It's not a dirty word. Feminism is not a sin. It can be pretty stupid, but it's not a sin.
Girls are just as smart as guys, but, face it, WE'RE NOT SUITED FOR THE NFL.
The whole attitude of Girls-Can-Do-ANYTHING-Guys-Can-Do-So-HAH attitude is getting really old and is frankly not true.
Girls and guys were made differently, so instead of pretending to be guys, let's celebrate the difference, shall we?
3. Discrimination: Racial discrimination is a terrible thing, a definite no-no. Discrimination, however, is not a bad thing.
Discrimination: to note or observe a difference; distinguish accurately
Is that wrong? Nope. When chosing a babysitting for your three year old, are you going to chose the tidy girl who make straight As and is always smiling, or the girl wearing black lipstick cussing her brains out at a stranger on the street?
Discrimination. Not bad in itself, just where we point it.
4. Global Warming: Bite me. You can tell me global warming is true, BLAH BLAH BLAH, but the HARD, COLD, FREAKIN' FACT is that it's
NOT.
Sorry. Do you research. All the big-name weather guys are telling you the same thing: LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE, PEOPLE. GLOBAL WARMING IS FAKE, FAKE, FAKE.
There is NOTHING WRONG WITH OUR ATMOSPHERE in the long run. This is a PHASE.
I've said this a bunch, and I'll say it again. It's a hoax. Do your reasearch.
5. Weird vs. Normal: It's all so relative that there's really no such thing.
6. Being Great: C'mon, you scaredy cat. DO SOMETHING. BE MISUNDERSTOOD. DARE TO BE GREAT.
7. Terrorists/War: Can't we just live and let live?
To put it simply, NO.
Now, some people say that we should stop fighting the terrorists. Leave them alone, they say. Live and let live.
I'm fine with that. You're probably fine with that. Most people (serial killers not included) are good with that.
Except the terrorists.
THEY WANT TO KILL US. It's part of their religion. Their Bible explicitely says "KILL ALL THE NON-MUSLIMS!"
Yay, peace. Peace is good. But I think for peace to work, both sides have to agree to NOT KILL EACH OTHER.
I am all for peace. Really. As much as I enjoy stirring up trouble and debating, world peace is a wonderful that I want us to have! I think it would be WONDERFUL if we could live in harmoney with the Muslims. Some of them are probably really great people.
But as long as they are bombing America, it is America's job to fight back.
America is not "attacking" the terrorists. It is purely self-defense.
8. Articulacy: Ah, articulacy. The lost art. Let's think. If people were all articulate and persuasive, what could we achieve...?
We could paint picture in the air with our words!
We could solve disputes in half the time.
We could skip all the tedious daily arguments.
We could persuade people to do all kinds of things.
We could make people understand us.
We could talk our way up the corporate ladder.
We could charm the most uncharmable character.
We could rise to infinite power!
So, what are you waiting for? Get out a dictionary and learn to talk.
9. Going Green: Don’t get me wrong, I am all for keeping Earth alive for as long as possible, especially considering I live here. But the whole concept of “going green” has gotten SO ANNOYING. I am getting a little fed up with the whole GAHHH!!!-DID-YOU-JUST-THROW-THAT-CAN AWAY-THAT-IS-RECYCLABLE-MATERIAL!!!!!! thing. It’s really starting to get on my nerves.
The whole world is “going green”, which is a fine thing, just not when every time I open a magazine they’re screaming “secrets” about how to go even GREENER than we already are. It’s in children’s programs, even! Entire episodes of Curious George have been dedicated to making sure kids know they’re killing trees with every drawing they create.
Everyone already knows about being green. Do we have to keep dedicating entire episodes and magazine issues to the movement? Just let it sit for a while. Bring it up again for the next generation.
If we really wanted more “green” tips, we could Google it.
10. Evolution: *HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA*
*wipes tears from eyes* *gasp*
Okay, sorry. I'm not even going to go into this. If you look at your facts, you'll come to the same conclusion. If you look at the facts and don't, there is something wrong with you.
11. Homosexuality: It's bad. It's against God. It's a choice.
Line of Logical Reasoning (this will only go for those who proclaim themselves Christians):
All sin is a choice.
Homosexuality is a sin.
Therefore, homosexuality is a choice.
And it's that simple.
Hopefully this reitteration of my beliefs has helped you guys. JT, congratulations on unleashing the monster ;)
Thursday, October 1, 2009
Taking a Stand: The Monster Unleashed :D
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Me like! Very nice summing up.
ReplyDeleteThank you. I didn't mean to unleash the monster, but since it happened . . . . :)
ReplyDeleteI think your views are very much correct, but I still do hold to what I said in both my posts on my blog:
What Have We Become?
and,
Answer to Einar
Thank you for clearing things up, but I still believe that some action is necessary. Debate is great, believe me, I love it. But still, there comes a point where things must be regulated because of possible negative influence on our Christian lives.
Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it. :)
JT
Bethany: Thanks! :D
ReplyDeleteJT: Mwahahahaha ;)
Thanks!
Good post, I agree with you on everything!
ReplyDeleteAnd I am taking bets as to whether or not Alex has an anurism when he reads this:)
ReplyDeleteKendra I can't believe you are so close minded! Everyone knows that every scientist in the world disagrees with everything you said, so it can't be true.
ReplyDeleteI just wanted to say it before Alex.
Nice post. >:)
Lol, thanks Einar and Bard, but (and I run the risk of being a kill-joy here), let's not put words in Alex's mouth. As much as he probably will think that, let's keep the spirit of this as gracious as is appropriate.
ReplyDelete~Kendra
Sorry, couldn't resist mate! (said in my best Captain Jack Sparrow voice)
ReplyDeleteWow....that's some pretty deep stuff for a fifteen year old. It's very interesting, made me stop and think.
ReplyDeleteyou mean "therefore, homosexuality is a choice"? ^^
ReplyDeleteI already told you this, but I'll repeat it (I'm not alone this time x] hahaha): I strongly disagree with you on some stuff... mainly evolution, global warming, and now... homosexuality
I have greatly respect you, though =)
and yeah, like Insanity said, you think and write pretty deep stuff for a 15 year old :D
Insanity: Thank you! That's what I love to do.
ReplyDeleteKrevan: Whoops, nicely spotted! *palmforehead* That's what I mean. I'll go back and fix it.
Yes, I know you do, but that's alright :-/
Thanks :)
~Kendra
As we have already established that I disagree with you on almost every stance, I'll do everyone a favor and allow one liberal/idealist/modern-blond-Beatnik to bow out. I must say, Kendra. You really will be a great writer, whether you pursue that as a career or not. Personally, I go to a school where lawyers, doctors, teachers, and businessmen are stamped out like soda cans, so that may not be a good choice for me.
ReplyDeleteI must say, some of the commenters are being very unfair to Alex. In my opinion, talking behind one's back is immoral, but where anyone can read it is just childish and disappointing. I really hope you stop, because I nagged you or not. I also hope, not only because the fact that I'm friends with Alex but also because of common decency that he doesn't see those comments.
But, again, nice job. Good summary. Way to say things straight.
I meant "I greatly respect you" ^^"
ReplyDeleteI think it is immoral and immature to not have a sense of humor;P
ReplyDeleteChristopher: Thank you so much! That really means a lot to me.
ReplyDeleteI agree. Childish, immoral and disappointing.
Krevan: I figured that's what you meant. Thank you! Even though we disagree on some things, I respect you as well.
Einar: Definitely agree! However I'm not sure putting words in someone's mouth like that falls into the category of humor.
~Kendra
I get what you mean, Einar, but I'm not sure Alex would find that funny. Think about it. Oh, yeah, it's all very good fun until someone reads what you're saying about them.
ReplyDeleteI really find it amazing that you are sooooo sensitive to something said in jest, and obviously not something Alex said, when Alex says things like, and I quote, "Please don't tell me you're another one of those idiots..."
ReplyDeleteThe difference is I was teasing and he is serious.
The whole tone of this post was rather irreverent, and I participated, but I really DIDN'T mean to offend.
Bard, you say things like that all the time and usually it's worse. I don't like putting words, into people's mouths, but I have seen you do it before. Listen, this whole debate has been pointless. Based on trends and statistics, the issues I side with will pass in the future. I really don't care. If you can't accept people and realize that homosexuality is not a choice, that's your problem.
ReplyDeleteKendra, I am sorry for stirring this up, I didn't mean to. All this nonsense has nothing to do with your many excellent points made in your post.
ReplyDeleteThe only solution is to argue!
ReplyDelete(Kidding, by the way.)
What arguements?
ReplyDeleteArguement for evolution: *wipes tears from eyes* *gasp*
Okay, sorry. I'm not even going to go into this. If you look at your facts, you'll come to the same conclusion. If you look at the facts and don't, there is something wrong with you.
Arguement for homosexuality: Homosexuality: It's bad. It's against God. It's a choice.
All these arguemnets just state opinions and insults like "if you don't something's wrong with you."
I only didn’t go into Evolution because I already have so many times before. I didn’t want to repeat myself. If you’d like to hear my arguments against it, go back and read the last ten posts or so.
ReplyDeleteI did point out before I even began the section on homosexuality that my argument would only work for Christians.
Insults? Maybe. But I *was* asked to take a stand, and that’s what I did. And honestly, Alex, you have absolutely no room to complain about insulting. If you want to tell someone to stop being offensive, look in the mirror.
Okay, but so I can learn to become better, could you please list my insults? And you need to use arguments that work reguardless of religion, otherwise, you're missing about 1/5 of the country.
ReplyDeleteOk, so I have been following this blog for a couple weeks, and I haven't said anything but, seeing this post...I just HAD to say WOW Kendra! Your post had me jumping up and down in my chair, and yelling for joy! I agree with you all the way, and you explained it much better than I ever could have. Wonderful!
ReplyDeleteAlex: Well, aside from the condescending and insulting tone of all your comments, some specific insults have been:
ReplyDelete"Oh, and poor you. You discriminated Christian."
"You are not doing the right thing, you are spreading hysteria about Obama, and you need to take a second look at what you're talking about."
"You know what I think it is? I think, he Hitler and the league of doom are plotting to assasinate Jesus and Billy Gram. Yeah, that evil socialist!"
"All you do is listen to Glen Beck and read conservative sources for your research."
"Sorry, if you can't accpet simple thruths like that, there's really no point in arguing with you. And real scienists do believe in global warming. Only political figureheads don't believe in it. Maybe you got them confused?"
"I also support Palin for 2012 for the republican ticket because if she makes it because if she makes it, Obama would be able to crush her no sweat."
"That's probably one of the most backwards and prejudice things I've ever heard."
"Plus, I also believe that was more figurative than literal, so that's not even a very good argument."
"The fact that you think so is by far the most ignorant thing I've ever heard."
"I know there is at least one person in your family who is [homosexual], even if they're in the closet."
"Please don't tell me you're another one of those idiots who believe it's a choice."
"Oh, *sigh*, I had such high hopes for you. I was hoping for a more original argument, but I guess That's just too mcuh to ask for from people like you."
"I have opened my ears to hear, but all I have heard are verses and your ridiculous beliefs."
"Good day to you, even though you probably won't read this because you gave up."
"You're dead wrong and someday maybe you'll take that second look and see that."
"So you have no curiousity? Wow, that's really sad."
"So you don't agree with Newton's Laws? I wonder how you get through the day."
"That just shows your inhabitablity to look beyond your own theories."
"Wow, that sounds cheesy."
"I find it hard to believe that God actually speaks to you."
"I doubt that you are his [God's] voice in this world."
"I really hate how you keep grouping them. Very narrow minded, but then again I can't expect much more from this post."
"Wow, that's probably the most narow minded thing I've heard in a long time."
"How can you like that book? It's all about not being narrow minded and being accpeting of peoples beliefs which aparently don't understand. It's an excellent play, I just don't think you get it based on what you've said in your posts."
"I can't help but noticing that the one for evolution writes a long detailed comment and the one against just puts good post. knock em dead. Wow."
I hope that's enough examples for you!
I was also absolutely astonished to find that you refer to yourself as a Christian half the time, and an atheist the other half. Why is that?
Little Kender: Thank you so much! What a compliment!
~Kendra
Hm...no offense to either of you, BUT I do think that most of the "insults" you listed were either simply blunt statements or unintended offensive remarks. Both of those seem rather prominent on both wings of this previously unceasing debate.
ReplyDeleteI really hope that since Kendra is now moving past debate, we can put a limit on those types of comments. Since I think nobody is achieving anything by making them, I hope we can stop them, then forget and forgive.
I'm still as much of a liberal as ever and I admit I shouted "woot woot!" when I heard about the Nobel Peace Prize.
Kendra, I would much rather you spend your time writing your next post than chronicling the barbs of Alex. We all earn our reputation and anyone who reads his comments on this blog will soon know what to think of him.
ReplyDeleteAlex is wise in his own eyes, but, I imagine, few others.
Christopher, yes "both sides" have made some blunt/insulting comments, and you will notice that Kendra felt comfortable calling Einar and me out for ours as well. Alex may not enjoy what has been said about him, but he has not been mischaracterized.
Bard, that was simply uncalled for. I think the only fools on this blog right now are the ones that are arrogant and close-minded enough to decide that those with opinions different from theirs are wrong and stupid.
ReplyDeleteYes, I may have just made myself a hypocrit. But I think that one was well-deserved. It's not just an internet page you're talking to, Bard. Alex is a real person, believe it or not. And we all are too.
I called nobody a fool.
ReplyDeleteWhen you talk about "...the ones that are arrogant and close-minded enough to decide that those with opinions different from theirs are wrong and stupid." was that a comment on Alex?
Actually, Bard, I think Christopher was talking to all of us when he said that. I see some of Alex's comments, and where you're comin' from, but most of (if not all) us've made statements of such a nature (or could be seen as such), so none of us have much space to talk about anybody else.
ReplyDeleteAnyway. I think this post summed it all up in terms I can understand. Thanks for that. New America, eh... I don't think on a large-scale basis, usually. Homeschooler point was a little bit offensive, yes.. :'( I think a publically educated person could be just as articulate and persuasive, but I haven't met many homeschooled children to make any conclusions on that. But still. D:
Comment on the Muslim religion. To quote:
"THEY WANT TO KILL US. It's part of their religion. Their Bible explicitely says "KILL ALL THE NON-MUSLIMS!""
If it did, wouldn't they have tried already? Now I don't know a lick about the Koran, but I seriously doubt they want to kill us all. I think the terrorists may just be cowering behind their religion. But I dunno, not an expert on anything religious.
I especially like what you have to say on articulacy and being great (I enjoy less conflict-of-opinion type matters. Maybe I'm just too lazy for debating. Hehe.), but this post makes complete sense to me, when I am so easily confused. Wonderful job, as always. And I mean it!!
(I think I should start commenting earlier so I'm not so late to all the discussion.)
ReplyDeleteBard, listen. I'm sorry. I realize that it must be hard to be like you. That's not an insult, that's sympathy. It's okay, liberals need the closed minded. We leave in a great country, and we need debate. Of course we have liberals, but we need people who are not on the right side of the argument so that they can help the liberals to develop new facts and theories by trying to disprove them. I don't know if I'm wise, but i don't care. All I know is that I have done my research, I have come to my conclusions based on the arguments presented, and that currently the rguments are winning. In fact, trends show that within several generations, that republicans will have a completely new platform because they're old issues will be looked at as backwards and offenseive. And Kendra, I'm sorry! You're right, I have been a bit confusing about my religion. I should explain. I basically became an atheist over the course of a year. Your blog actually helped. You see, I saw your vrses and thought "Wow, I don't want to believe in this!" And switched! The light's been turned on for me! I greatly hope that one day you can feel the same thing.
ReplyDeleteMuse: Ah, sorry about the homeschool vs. public school thing :( It's definitely not that I think homeschoolers are smarter, I just think that in general, the subjects we study better equip us for life as leaders in this particular area. I'm totally not saying that I think public schoolers can't do anything! I'm not saying that at all! But a lot of the teachers these days are just interested in feeding kids facts without them really understanding.
ReplyDeleteThe subject "logic" isn't even taught in public schools anymore. Most of my friends don't even know what it is.
It's not that I think homeschoolers are any smarter, just (in my personal experience) taught different, more helpful things and ways. I hope that make sense...
Alex:
BLUNT ALERT: I am getting tired of responding to Alex in a cordial manner, and am going to respond in kind this time.
The fact that you say something isn't an insult doesn't mean it's not, Alex. I can say, "You big idiot! I hate your guts! But please don't take that wrong" and that doesn't make it any less offensive or insulting. (I don't actually think that, by the way, it was just an example, lol.)
So, basically, you're saying that because you think your side will be the "winning" side, that's the one you're on? I hate to break it to you, Alex, but just because something wins in the short run doesn't mean it's right.
If you want to live in a world where you work hard next to a bunch of gay people and then have the government take half your earnings and give it to the hobo on the street while your children are taught at school how meaningless life is and how nothing has any purpose and they might as well die right now, good for you. You go ahead and live like that.
But I perfer to live in a world where marriage is viewed with the sanctity our Creator meant for it as I work hard and get to feel the benifits of good, honest labor while knowing that my kids will be taught both viewpoints on life and be able to make their own decisions at school.
About your changing your views on religion, okay. *shrug* I'm not in charge of your salvation or judgment, God is. I didn't help change your mind, you did, and God did. It's all part of the plan. I have faith that God has everything all worked out, and it really doesn't matter too much what you or I say! I'll be praying for you!
~Kendra
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMxNkbegjNM
ReplyDeleteI'm not exactly sure what the deal was with the rain thing, but oh well. Kendra, my views will win in the long run, not the short run. And that's not why I chose them. If you had read more carefully you would have realized that. And about "the creator" it's that crap that turned me away from Christianity. I think that later in life, I may believe in some other divine purpose, but not Christianity. Christianity is on it's last wave out. Right now it represents about 1/3 pf the world. In one of it's biggest countries (America) it is losing faith. Maybe the real future will be terrible for you thw way you've said it, but if "working next to a bunch of gay people" is hard for you, you're going to have a hard life!
ReplyDeleteAlex, as we say in the South, Bless your heart.
ReplyDeleteYou seem to be striving to be a part of the latest trend. We are striving to be a part of the truth. I know, I know, you are quite sure you are the one who knows the truth (must be all that research you did), but we are just as sure we are.
You know you call me close minded, but I have begged you to prove your points, but you will not. I have made points to support my position and you have ignored them and repeated yourself. If I were close minded I wouldn't bother spending so much time discussing things with you.
I admit I have strong beliefs, but so do you. The thing is, you seem to confuse discussion/debate with a fight. I am not trying to force you to change your mind, I am just challenging your ideas. If your ideas are sound, it shouldn't be a problem.
Muse of Randomness, as a principal I can tell you that my experience is that kids that are homeschooled have a much higher level of education. There is a simple reason for this, they get one on one attention and a customized education based on their aptitudes and gifts. Public schooled kids get a standardized education and share a teacher with many other students. Although there are students that do well in public school, most can't expect to gain the kind of depth of learning that homeschooled kids will obtain. This is not to say all homeschooled kids are smarter than public schooled kids, but from a personal best perspective, they have a better chance of obtaining theirs.
ReplyDeleteYou should post more, I enjoy hearing what you have to say.
Christopher...um...I like this one better:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHdcyue0bSw
I am a homeschooler, all but two of my friends are homeschooled as well.
ReplyDeleteIt is amazing what happens once you get away from the governmental indoctrination, not to mention the violence/drugs/premarital sex/gangs.
In my opinion, public school's only use is as a crucible. Those that do make it through with flying colors and God's plan as their mission in life will be able to take nearly anything Satan throws at them. Unfortunately, fewer people will make it through the crucible, due to the difficulty of the struggle, and I do not believe the sacrifice of the many is worth the benefit the few might get.
Home school is a controlled environment, parents who care enough to home school will usually try to do a good job of it, and that includes teaching their kids to think for themselves, as Kendra pointed out.
Public school has its benefits Muse, you are right, but personally, I would choose homeschooling every time, for me, my future kids, and anyone else who has the option.
Kendra: I must say, homeschoolers may get a more thorough education most of the time, but also a rather biased one. Like more than 3/4 of homeschooled children in America are Evangelical Christians. Look at you all. From what I hear, you are all homeschooled and you're also telling Alex half the time that you're praying for him. Although I must also question indignantly, where is private school in this battle? Woot woot!
ReplyDeleteAlthough you already know that I disagree with your views on this--Kendra, Einar, Bard--I must also say that I disagree with you as well, Alex. For one: I don't think there is a truth. Yes, there may be "trends", (which Christianity might be called a "trend" just as well,) but who determines the truth? God? What if you don't believe in God?
Alex: you know I agree with you on just about everything--uh...except for that little thing...you know...God. But I will have to say that I had wished you could see a light in Christianity--instead of just the "ignorance" that most see. Too bad. Maybe you'll be Christian in another life. (Joking.)
The rain thing was supposed to be calming. Obviously, it didn't work. I guess my mediator skills were just trying to go out with a bang. I don't know. I'll quit.
Bard: hm....I dunno...I don't like Christian rock much, which is saying something because my cousin is in a Christian rock band. At least it's better than Christian screamo. There is such a thing.
Christopher, you think public school education is not bias? You have GOT to be kidding. Home school is not bias, the values of the family doing the schooling are part of the teaching. I am not sure where you got your "3/4 of homeschooled children in America are Evangelical Christians" comment, but if it were true how is it negative?
ReplyDeleteThere is no truth huh? So, it is not true that if I step off a building roof gravity will cause me to drop? I guess you think that chemistry, physics, and mathematics are all a farce, not truth there. What about you, is it true you exist? Do you need me to believe in you to exist?
No, Bard, I don't think it is nearly as much of a bias as home schooling. I'm amazed if you think that life-long teachers are more biased than the actual parent of the child being taught. I actually got my little statistic from the documentary called Jeusus Camp--the movie from which I posted that irrelevant link on Left Side View. And I think it is negative because while conservatives are blaming liberals like Obama for brain wash, meanwhile all the information being fed to a homeschooled child is tainted by the parent changing the information.
ReplyDeleteAbout the ultimate truth you are implying, you brought up the typical arguments. Those laws of science you reminded me of are simply "true" because they are agreed upon. Look up the exact definition for a law of science and you'll find that it is only agreed upon, not true.
It's like the fallen tree example. If a tree falls in the middle of a forest, and no one ever hears it or sees it, did it really fall down? That's a hard concept, but if you can interpret that, you can understand what I'm saying.
I understand where your perspective is coming from, so forgive me if I'm being harsh.
I am not sure I understand what you are talking about biased teaching. Can you give an example? I just want to be sure we are talking about the same thing.
ReplyDeleteWow, pretty quick response. I bet I can beat that.
ReplyDeleteExcuse me--I usually hate to provide two examples from the same source. But, for sake of personal time, I will do so.
This is real life: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z14iuazhuTQ&feature=related
I asked for an example of bias, how is she being bias?
ReplyDeleteShe is teaching a subject for science that really should be taught for religion. Plus, she is teaching evangelically. Are you homeschooled?
ReplyDeleteBecause if you are, then it's probably harder to reconize the bias.
She is teaching science and incorporating current events and her beliefs. It is no different than a Catholic or Muslim school might do.
ReplyDeleteNo Alex, I was public schooled many years ago.
I know you and Christopher wouldn't teach your kids that way, and that is fine. What bothers me is that you seem to think others are wrong to teach their children as they believe. That is pretty hypocritical.
Home schools vary as much as public schools do. There are definite advantages to homeschooling in general, but I would never say that you couldn't find a home school with problems (but nothing in that video alarmed me).
It seems to me you and Christopher have asserted that because the family belief system is included in their education it is biased.
Creationism isn't science, but she was teaching it like it was.
ReplyDeleteCreationism is a scientific theory just like evolution.
ReplyDeleteSorry, but it's not. There is no scientific evidence to support creationism. If you know of some, please name it.
ReplyDeleteWell, while I get together some of the evidence supporting creation theory, why don't explain why it is not science.
ReplyDelete...And please do not use your standard, "All scientist agree." line.
ReplyDeleteListen, give me some scientific evidence for creationism. And not proof against evolution, but proof for creation. I'm not going to give you anything. I didn't make the statement, you did. So prove it!
ReplyDeleteThat sounds about right, you are fine as long as you don't have to prove anything, just declare what others say is not so. How predictable.
ReplyDeleteLike I said, it will take me a bit to put together a decent presentation of the theory.
Also, I am not proving that Creation Theory is true in these comments, I am proving it is a scientific theory, just as evolution is.
ReplyDeleteI have already posted many comments about proving evolution. If you are so interested, read those. You said that creationism was a scientific theory. I simply asked you to prove it. I am not obligated to disprove it, or prove evolution, because I only asked for evidence, and did not say that evolution was a scientific theory in my comment.
ReplyDeleteSorry, I have to agree with Alex on this point. Bard, take a look at this link and see what you think: http://chem.tufts.edu/science/FrankSteiger/theory.htm
ReplyDeleteIt pretty much sums up what we're saying. I don't know about whether or not Creationism is a scientific theory, but you do have the right to trust it.
However, I must say, the conversation was going along similarly to this:
"See? You have no evidence!"
"I have already presented evidence. It's your turn."
"...see? You have no evidence! Show your evidence."
"It's your turn."
"You have no evidence."
And so on and so forth. Alex, maybe to make Bard happy you better put forth some evidence. And meanwhile I'm curious to see what Bard has for us.
What you said was "Creationism isn't science, but she was teaching it like it was." And when I said it was a scientific theory, you said, "Sorry, but it's not."
ReplyDeleteYou are not obligated to prove it is not a scientific theory, and I am not obligated to prove it is. I have just asked you to back your point of disqualifying Creation theory as you asked me to back mine. As usual, you act as if it is the burden of all others to prove why what you say it untrue, instead of your burden to prove what you have said IS true.
It is not about making me happy, it is about doing more than running your mouth.
Listen Bard, the reason I saqy it's not a scientific theory is because I have found no scientific evidence in favor of it. There is sceintific evidence to suggest evolution, but not creation. If you think that there is scientific evidence to suggest creation, show some. I'm starting to wonder if you have any because you haven't brought anything to the table yet. If you want scientific evidence of evolution, I would suggest looking at past comments and maybe reading Darwin's Origin of Man. For bonus points, visit the Galapagos.
ReplyDeleteOK, sorry I am so long in my reply, but that is life.
ReplyDeleteI am going to give a short version of creation theory, because a full scientific theory is a book full of details. Keep in mind that science related to the origins of life (or all things) is not one that can be "proved" explicitly because it is not observable or repeatable.
Creation theory asserts that everything, all life, all laws of nature, from the largest star to the smallest sub-atomic particle, was created by God. There are many variations on Creation theory from this point, so let me add some additional detail.
Creation was an event that occurred in a short time frame (I believe 6 days) and all things were created. Over thousands of years natural selection has eliminated some life forms and narrowed the genetic traits exhibited by others.
Although we are not able to observe or repeat creation, there is evidence that supports Creation theory.
One of the most powerful confirmations we have for Creation is Omne vivum ex ovo, Latin for "for all life [is] from eggs", Louis Pasteur's statement related to what is now accepted by science as the Law of Biogenesis. If we believe that life was created, we would expect to observe that life would only come from existing life. Ant time an environment has been setup where all life is void, new life has NEVER been observed.
Creation theory asserts an order to chaos reality. During creation, all was created with perfect order, over time this order was corrupted and chaos, or entropy, was the result. The Second law of thermodynamics supports this aspect of Creation theory. In simple terms, the Second Law of Thermodynamics states that the entropy (randomness) of a closed system will always increase. Our universe is a closed system. Think of it this way, at Creation things were perfect, simple, but corruption of that perfection moved all of creation towards complexity and randomness (a lack of order). If you have all of the ingredients for a cake, even if you put them all in a bowl, you don’t have a cake. To go from chaos, all the ingredients in the bowl, to order, the cake, requires external energy and direction.
Creation theory is a valid scientific theory because it provides a formulation of apparent relationships or underlying principles of certain observed phenomena which have been verified to some degree.
As a Christian my faith in the truth of God’s Word leads me to Creation theory, but as a logical thinker I can see that this theory is supported by true scientific observation.
That still really doesn't make it a theory. That isn't truly evidence, it's just using preexisting scientific laws and sitorting them to your own needs. Also, it seems you pick and choose which parts of the creation myth you want to believe. Was there a garden of Eden? Adma and Eve? How could the snake talk? What exactly happened?
ReplyDeleteLol, Alex, seriously? Using scientific laws doesn't make that a theory? Do you know how theories are made? Um...with scientific laws? (Along with a hypothesis, experimentation if possible, collecting data, analysing the data, etc..)
ReplyDeleteNo, he distorted scientific laws to make it apply to creation, which they really didn't. To be a scientific theory, you need substancial evidence. I mean, real evidence.
ReplyDeleteI'm kinda divided on this one. To be fair, Bard did provide a fair amount of support for his theory, even if you want to call it "evidence". I'm glad you looked it up, because I have never heard scientific support for the Creation theory, and you clarified.
ReplyDeleteBut I can also see where Alex is coming from.
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ReplyDeleteWhat specifically was distorted Alex?
ReplyDeleteYou made it seem like they specifically applied to creation, when it was actually a very loose application. I'm not saying that you had nothing at all, just no enough for a scientific theory.
ReplyDeleteWhat do they specifically apply to then?
ReplyDeleteThe thing is Alex, when you are evaluating Creation theory, all scientific laws apply because they were created by the Creator during creation. Any scientific law, whether discovered by Newton or Pasteur, reveals a part of creation if it is properly understood.
ReplyDeleteA true scientist operating from a Creation theory perspective is not trying to force the data to confirm creation, they seek to reveal God's creation through unbiased science. It is a position of confidence, provided by our faith, to know that God's truth will always be confirmed by any honest scientific discovery. We may test our theories with extreme scrutiny, because we desire God to reveal himself to us through His creation. Newton believed that the laws he discovered through science were not his own, but truth revealed to him by God. Even so, he tested his theories, not because he thought they may prove God wrong, but to be sure he had not added to God revelation to him, thereby corrupting the truth.